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	<title>Comments on: Debate: does a brand&#8217;s social voice belong at an agency or at the brand?</title>
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		<title>By: Erik Wolf</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you -- the result is the same but one example of outsourced biz relations is an accepted fact of life and the other is greeted with full-on-nose-upturned snobbery from people like me. The social stuff is still &quot;special&quot; I guess and there is definitely a double standard. I think you could have asked the same question and replaced the call center example with &quot;media relations.&quot; PR people have been putting words in corporate employees/executives&#039; mouths for an awful long time and we take that for granted as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And you are correct -- I was not thinking about social support centers when I made my comment about social being almost free to maintain. But my guess is that if companies are investing full-time resources to build social support centers their hope is that doing so will ultimately reduce the expense associated with traditional call centers and streamline their support organization. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, just my $.02... I hereby return your blog to you. Feel free to have the last word and put me in my place :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you &#8212; the result is the same but one example of outsourced biz relations is an accepted fact of life and the other is greeted with full-on-nose-upturned snobbery from people like me. The social stuff is still &#8220;special&#8221; I guess and there is definitely a double standard. I think you could have asked the same question and replaced the call center example with &#8220;media relations.&#8221; PR people have been putting words in corporate employees/executives&#39; mouths for an awful long time and we take that for granted as well.</p>
<p>And you are correct &#8212; I was not thinking about social support centers when I made my comment about social being almost free to maintain. But my guess is that if companies are investing full-time resources to build social support centers their hope is that doing so will ultimately reduce the expense associated with traditional call centers and streamline their support organization. </p>
<p>Anyway, just my $.02&#8230; I hereby return your blog to you. Feel free to have the last word and put me in my place :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hilimire</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hilimire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I was with you until your last point that &quot;a Twitter account is practically free to maintain&quot;.  While I agree that the head count for call centers is obviously much higher today than with social, that will change very quickly over the next few years.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But even today I know many companies that have a handful of people working full time running their Twitter accounts, mostly from a customer service perspective.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just think to a certain extent its odd for people to say &quot;how could an agency be the &#039;voice&#039; of a brand?&quot; when most brands outsource the actual voice of their brand via call centers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I was with you until your last point that &#8220;a Twitter account is practically free to maintain&#8221;.  While I agree that the head count for call centers is obviously much higher today than with social, that will change very quickly over the next few years.  </p>
<p>But even today I know many companies that have a handful of people working full time running their Twitter accounts, mostly from a customer service perspective.  </p>
<p>I just think to a certain extent its odd for people to say &#8220;how could an agency be the &#39;voice&#39; of a brand?&#8221; when most brands outsource the actual voice of their brand via call centers.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Wolf</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that just because it&#039;s &quot;standard&quot; operating procedure doesn&#039;t make it the right operating procedure :) There are companies that have done this seamlessly and there are companies who have had their brands/credibility seriously damaged by poor service from an overseas call center. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But overall, I think there&#039;s a very big fundamental difference between these two examples -- a call center is very expensive to run and requires a major investment in facilities, equipment and personnel. Outsourcing that function can be a significant cost savings for a company; savings that could help a company compete more effectively in a crowded marketplace. But a Twitter account is practically free to maintain -- it requires no additional overhead, can be maintained by almost any level of employee and doesn&#039;t require a lot of training to build a basic level of competency. There just isn&#039;t a compelling business case to be made for outsourcing a Twitter account where it&#039;s easy to argue for the overseas call center despite the same &quot;social&quot; risks to your brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d say that just because it&#39;s &#8220;standard&#8221; operating procedure doesn&#39;t make it the right operating procedure :) There are companies that have done this seamlessly and there are companies who have had their brands/credibility seriously damaged by poor service from an overseas call center. </p>
<p>But overall, I think there&#39;s a very big fundamental difference between these two examples &#8212; a call center is very expensive to run and requires a major investment in facilities, equipment and personnel. Outsourcing that function can be a significant cost savings for a company; savings that could help a company compete more effectively in a crowded marketplace. But a Twitter account is practically free to maintain &#8212; it requires no additional overhead, can be maintained by almost any level of employee and doesn&#39;t require a lot of training to build a basic level of competency. There just isn&#39;t a compelling business case to be made for outsourcing a Twitter account where it&#39;s easy to argue for the overseas call center despite the same &#8220;social&#8221; risks to your brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hilimire</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hilimire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to ask all that commented on this post what the difference is between, say, an agency managing a Twitter account for a brand or a brand outsourcing its 1-800-customer-service to another country (where the person actually speaks with the customer and acts as if they are an employee).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s the difference?  Why is one scenario frowned on whereas the other, which seems more personal because you&#039;re talking to a live person, is standard operating procedure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to ask all that commented on this post what the difference is between, say, an agency managing a Twitter account for a brand or a brand outsourcing its 1-800-customer-service to another country (where the person actually speaks with the customer and acts as if they are an employee).  </p>
<p>What&#39;s the difference?  Why is one scenario frowned on whereas the other, which seems more personal because you&#39;re talking to a live person, is standard operating procedure?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hilimire</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hilimire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points @erikwolf. And while it might only exist in your head, I share the same delusions ;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems the best way for an agency to work with a brand on their social outreach is to be a strategic partner with the ability to train and if necessary augment their staff when necessary.  But turning over the keys to an agency and getting a monthly report is NOT the way to go.  Authenticity and credibility should be at a premium when communicating with customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points @erikwolf. And while it might only exist in your head, I share the same delusions ;)</p>
<p>It seems the best way for an agency to work with a brand on their social outreach is to be a strategic partner with the ability to train and if necessary augment their staff when necessary.  But turning over the keys to an agency and getting a monthly report is NOT the way to go.  Authenticity and credibility should be at a premium when communicating with customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Should you hire a social media agency? &#124; Zero-G Creative</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Should you hire a social media agency? &#124; Zero-G Creative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our friend Jeff Hilimire opened a debate on his blog this week asking whether social media is best managed by an agency or by the brand and I was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Erik Wolf</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the idealistic world that exists only in my head, I&#039;d prefer to see agencies stay out if it entirely. But that&#039;s not reality and I think many brands are going to require the assistance and guidance of an agency to plan the strategy, provide feedback and likely handle some of the upfront and ongoing effort to maintain the strategy. But I think it is a HUGE mistake for a brand to outsource its social media entirely to an agency as it seems many are doing. As a culture, we&#039;ve immunized ourselves to advertising in part because of overload and in part because people have become increasingly aware of how &quot;manufactured&quot; advertising is. By contrast, we are drawn to social media because there&#039;s still an element of authenticity there that has been stripped out of traditional marketing, advertising and PR over the years. Ultimately I believe that brands need to control the tone, content and tempo of their social media, no matter how impractical it is from an organizational perspective. I believe that impracticality can be overcome in many cases with a combination of effort and creativity :) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it&#039;s hard to overcome the disappointment and betrayal that our best customers would no doubt feel if they ever discovered that they were being misled. How would you feel if you found out that a company insider you&#039;ve been developing a relationship with was actually a ghostwriter or a fictional character?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Authenticity is a prerequisite for a successful social media effort and outsourcing it wholly to an agency is disingenuous at best. Agencies can and should play a role -- this is a big job after all, but any scenario that takes the brand out of the driver&#039;s seat is a failure in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the idealistic world that exists only in my head, I&#39;d prefer to see agencies stay out if it entirely. But that&#39;s not reality and I think many brands are going to require the assistance and guidance of an agency to plan the strategy, provide feedback and likely handle some of the upfront and ongoing effort to maintain the strategy. But I think it is a HUGE mistake for a brand to outsource its social media entirely to an agency as it seems many are doing. As a culture, we&#39;ve immunized ourselves to advertising in part because of overload and in part because people have become increasingly aware of how &#8220;manufactured&#8221; advertising is. By contrast, we are drawn to social media because there&#39;s still an element of authenticity there that has been stripped out of traditional marketing, advertising and PR over the years. Ultimately I believe that brands need to control the tone, content and tempo of their social media, no matter how impractical it is from an organizational perspective. I believe that impracticality can be overcome in many cases with a combination of effort and creativity :) </p>
<p>But it&#39;s hard to overcome the disappointment and betrayal that our best customers would no doubt feel if they ever discovered that they were being misled. How would you feel if you found out that a company insider you&#39;ve been developing a relationship with was actually a ghostwriter or a fictional character?</p>
<p>Authenticity is a prerequisite for a successful social media effort and outsourcing it wholly to an agency is disingenuous at best. Agencies can and should play a role &#8212; this is a big job after all, but any scenario that takes the brand out of the driver&#39;s seat is a failure in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: clouvi</title>
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		<dc:creator>clouvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Major disruption is occurring and will continue to occur in this traditional relationship.  An agency that thinks they have a right to the brand will suffer from some level of Darwinism.  With so many digital channels and micro-niches, how can you be sure that brand is not cheating on you just a bit?  I can think of a few times where I&#039;ve called on one digital AOR that had no clue that a certain campaign or service was being used b/c it was implemented by another agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major disruption is occurring and will continue to occur in this traditional relationship.  An agency that thinks they have a right to the brand will suffer from some level of Darwinism.  With so many digital channels and micro-niches, how can you be sure that brand is not cheating on you just a bit?  I can think of a few times where I&#39;ve called on one digital AOR that had no clue that a certain campaign or service was being used b/c it was implemented by another agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Synstelien</title>
		<link>http://jeffhilimire.com/2010/04/debate-does-a-brands-social-voice-belong-at-an-agency-or-at-the-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Synstelien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to the point, if a brand is touting it&#039;s social media voice and that voice is originating at and from the agency... We&#039;ll, that just isn&#039;t very &quot;authentic&quot; is it ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to the point, if a brand is touting it&#39;s social media voice and that voice is originating at and from the agency&#8230; We&#39;ll, that just isn&#39;t very &#8220;authentic&#8221; is it ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Synstelien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Synstelien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to the point, if a brand is touting it&#039;s social media voice and that voice is originating at and from the agency... We&#039;ll, that just isn&#039;t very &quot;authentic&quot; is it ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to the point, if a brand is touting it&#39;s social media voice and that voice is originating at and from the agency&#8230; We&#39;ll, that just isn&#39;t very &#8220;authentic&#8221; is it ;-)</p>
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